that's creating an environment where real change can occur. what's important is for us to look at each other, no matter what side. i have friends on both sides of this issue, and it's the ability for us to get them to see, hey, listen, everybody has pure intent. we all have to want the exact same thing. that young man on earlier, gabby, mark, yourself, myself, we want to make sure our kids are safe, our family, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers are safe, we want to make sure people are respected. we have forgotten that. if you put your fist out and i push on you, what happens? 99% of people are going to push back. i think the most important thing right now is for us to enter the other person's world and say i know their intent is pure. we have one difference, how to do it, and what's encouraging is the vice president today saying, look, we're truly going to sit down and hear from every faction and look at what the solutions are. if we demonize, we'll be having the discussion ten years from now. we've got to step out of it. >> the guest, mr. sh